tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post2009917212560154913..comments2023-07-05T16:11:30.012-07:00Comments on <Insert title here>: Is the state a criminal conspiracy?Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06820590356364863913noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-71132965116040715592012-08-06T08:45:49.140-07:002012-08-06T08:45:49.140-07:00@August 5, 2012 9:32 AM: The state only purports t...@August 5, 2012 9:32 AM: The state only purports to represent the people as whole. Many voted for the "other guy"; many don't vote at all. There are plenty who don't wish for the state to represent them at all. The state is nothing more than an organized monopoly of force wielded by 50%+1 of the population.<br /><br />There are a million different ways that your private street scenario could play out. They neighbors could buy out the deadbeat and fix his section for him. They could re-route the road. Perhaps the (entire) road is owned by or could be sold to a third party and paid for with tolls. The list could go on forever. And in every scenario, the deadbeat could be punished simply by ostracism. What if, because he wouldn't fix his section of the road, his neighbor's restaurant will no longer serve him? The bank won't extend him credit? No force is necessary, if the deadbeat doesn't want to participate in society, then society need not extend him the same courtesy. I imagine he'd come around pretty quickly or move out of the area.<br /><br />There is no such thing as the "greater good" because such a thing is unknowable. One person or group of people could not tease out what is best for billions of other individuals. It's a fiction that keeps the masses in line.<br /><br />Finally, I see what you did here: "many people do not have the same attitude as you, in wanting to be a contributing or reasonable member of society". I would argue that the idea of the state is detrimental and unreasonable in civil society. What kind of society sets up a criminal entity to steal the population's money and use it as it sees fit, that institutionalizes and legalizes theft and violence within the very organization that purports to protect the population from these things and then has the gall to call itself civil and peaceful?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820590356364863913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-60476235856596824722012-08-05T09:32:12.336-07:002012-08-05T09:32:12.336-07:00I understand the logic, however - the state enforc...I understand the logic, however - the state enforces it because it represents the people as a whole.<br /><br />Imagine you live in a private street. The road is private and maintained by the citizens. Everyone agrees to maintain the road between themselves.. and then one day, one guy on the street decides he can't afford to pay his share and doesn't. Does the road not get fixed? Does the rest of the street try to enforce the agreement? Kick him out?<br /><br />I agree with your logic completely; the state is in many ways a bully-boy - but they're doing it for "the greater good". The taxation system certainly lets the bigger boys pay less of their lunch money.. but many, many people do not have the same attitude as you, in wanting to be a contributing or reasonable member of society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-47147482520999947702012-04-16T11:28:17.676-07:002012-04-16T11:28:17.676-07:00Johny, I'm curious about where this line of th...Johny, I'm curious about where this line of thought ends for you: should there be no government? If so what role should it play? How does it finance those activities? I really enjoy reading your blog,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-38575020373510997132011-09-06T09:38:52.129-07:002011-09-06T09:38:52.129-07:00@George: I'm not sure if your problem with the...@George: I'm not sure if your problem with the "ownership of bodies" argument is that you don't agree with it or if the post is poorly written and thus doesn't incorporate the argument well.<br /><br />I think the ownership of bodies is important because it is the basis of the non-aggression principle. For example, we can all agree to not be non-violent, but what happens when we find a person who is not so disposed? There needs to be some independent idea upon which we can base our desire to control our bodies and not have them be harmed. In this particular case, it was the shortest path to showing that government is an aggressor. Under that theory, one need not argue further about the merits of government action because they are all predicated on a criminal act.<br /><br />I think the island/life boat/prisoner scenarios have their place. You'll see that a few posts ago I railed against a prisoner scenario with respect to voting. In the current case, I think the conclusion drawn on the small scale carries forward to the large scale and therefore is completely appropriate for the purposes of removing distractions from the point.<br /><br />Finally, the question about criminal conspiracy is important because people like myself have only recently begun to understand the nature of the state. An article like this may be passe for some, but many (myself included) stand to benefit from gaining a better understanding of the state. In fact, the person mentioned in this post with whom I had a discussion was of the opinion that we simply needed more regulation to correct society's ills. However, she was unable to answer why an entity empowered to commit criminal acts was necessary to fulfill this end.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820590356364863913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-45198191527253688522011-09-05T12:35:36.838-07:002011-09-05T12:35:36.838-07:00You were persuasive until you got into ownership o...You were persuasive until you got into ownership of bodies. It doesn't seem to logically flow from the first part of your argument.<br /><br />Also, I find island and life boat scenarios to be kind of ho-hum. Sure, if you remove something from its context, you might come to some easy conclusions, but how meaningful are those conclusions if they aren't rooted in the realistic context? Not so much.<br /><br />Is the government a criminal conspiracy? Maybe. But why is this question important? So what if it is?George Donnellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16984579502979682678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-57347979028815003822011-09-02T07:15:29.069-07:002011-09-02T07:15:29.069-07:00PS: My job in the US Govt was detonating dozens of...PS: My job in the US Govt was detonating dozens of nuclear bombs inside US Govt buildings in highly populated areas. This is a common job for 1,000s of US soldiers every day. Happy 10th Anniversary of Sept 11. piratenews.org/pentagonwhistleblower.html september911surprise.piratenews.orgDragonaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052337446003213770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-41038702487571869132011-09-02T07:09:47.661-07:002011-09-02T07:09:47.661-07:00I had 2 cars stolen by police-run cartheft rackets...I had 2 cars stolen by police-run cartheft rackets in cahoots with their cop-killing mafia towtruck chopshop contractors. Similar class actions have been won in every major US city. 3 class actions were filed in my case, including 1 by the city govt against its own contractors quoting my federal complaint verbatim. This criminal gang of towtruckers own 10,000 towtrucks and garbage trucks in just 1 corporation, with dozens of employees convicted of conspiracy under the RICO Act for membership in the Gambino and Genovese Mafia families, and routinely pay half-billion-dollar fines to US DOJ for antitrust violations. Did I get my cars back or get paid compensation? No, but my lawyer did get 2 guns put to his head and told "we will blow your brains out if you dont do what you're told." Did I ever get a parking ticket on my own private property? No. Did police and the towtruckers admit they towed and impounded my car at their secret impound lot at the towtruck owner's house? No. When I filed felony charges did the cops and towtruckers get arrested? No, but 100 towtruckers did get fired and banned for 5 years. These are the same garbage/scrap corporations paid $3-billion by the US Govt to "demolish" the World Trade Center "after" 9/11. It's towing division was bought by the Carlyle Group that's owned by the Bushes, Bin Ladens and the German Nazi Queen of England, named by the FBI as supplying cars stolen in USA for "Al Qaeda" bombers to kill US troops in Iraq. Read the court docs for yourself: piratenews.org/newslinks.html<br /><br />COP. <br />2. to steal; filch. 3. to buy (narcotics). 4. cop out, a. to avoid one's responsibility, the fulfillment of a promise, etc.; renege; back out. 5. cop a plea, a. to plead guilty or confess in return for receiving a lighter sentence. b. to plead guilty to a lesser charge; plea-bargain. <br />-Random House Unabridged DictionaryDragonaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052337446003213770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-39252143273092159542011-09-01T04:33:45.514-07:002011-09-01T04:33:45.514-07:00Proof: the recent Gibson Guitar factory raid by th...Proof: the recent Gibson Guitar factory raid by the "Fish and Wildlife" federal agency. Jack-booted thugs!Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718266524335017117noreply@blogger.com