tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post3260657460355750791..comments2023-07-05T16:11:30.012-07:00Comments on <Insert title here>: Nothing to fear (but fear and maybe the TSA)Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06820590356364863913noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-80325658284558185562011-02-07T22:52:25.919-08:002011-02-07T22:52:25.919-08:00So reminiscent of what Mr. Feld, my torts professo...So reminiscent of what Mr. Feld, my torts professor, told us about calculating relative risks. The riskiest thing you can ever do is get out of bed in the morning. Following that in some order are trying to take a bath (you could slip and fall in the tub), climbing staircases (you could trip and break your neck), crossing streets (if you live in my neighborhood, you could slip on the ice and get run over by a light rail train, which is not a good way to end), and driving a car (never been in an automobile accident? I can say it's not a great deal of fun, and I didn't even die).<br /><br />It's not possible to design a society that sets all risks equal to zero, and if it were I'm not so sure it would be the sort of place I'd want to live.Davey Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-25925881989077282632010-11-24T11:01:05.301-08:002010-11-24T11:01:05.301-08:00http://www.bartleby.com/73/1056.html
QUOTATION: &...http://www.bartleby.com/73/1056.html<br /><br />QUOTATION: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. "<br />ATTRIBUTION: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, November 11, 1755.—The Papers of Benjamin Franklin, ed. Leonard W. Labaree, vol. 6, p. 242 (1963).<br /><br /> This quotation, slightly altered, is inscribed on a plaque in the stairwell of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty: “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” <br /><br /><br />LOL<br />I guess Mr. Tyner's not worrying about getting the facts correct..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-33876830503457663372010-11-24T10:44:00.721-08:002010-11-24T10:44:00.721-08:00"Anti-govt at all costs" civil libertari..."Anti-govt at all costs" civil libertarians mis-quote and misapply that quote on a continuous basis. Lets consider reality:<br /><br />The quote is actually (from the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."<br /><br />Note that you have dropped "essential' and "little".. Civil Libertarians ALWAYS misquote it in that way.. WHY? Why do you have such a problem getting the actual quote correct? <br /><br />You are mis-quoting it to better support your "any govt control of the activities of the populace in any form threatens our liberty", which is CLEARLY NOT what BF was saying.<br /><br />Civil Libertarians hate all things associated with the govt, so they attempt to produce "arguments" against everything the govt does, no matter how naive, irrational, self contradictory those arguments are. If manipulation of facts is necessary to achieve the result, then so be it.<br /><br />Reality is messy:<br />- the Govt is charged with protecting the populace<br />- security is a pain in the neck, you are always going to have to trade off safety with convenience<br />- airport security by the TSA doesn’t threaten our “essential liberty”<br />- we aren’t talking about a “little safety” here, terrorism is a huge issue<br /><br />but, dont let this stop you.. by all means continue to misquote and misapply the quote.. just dont kid yourself that you are constructing a logical data driven argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-88942399190203920462010-11-24T10:32:40.530-08:002010-11-24T10:32:40.530-08:00I just find it so ironic that what this whole page...I just find it so ironic that what this whole page is really about is hating on Obama. If this was happening on a Bush's watch or any other Republican it would all be hushed and I am pretty sure Mr. Tyner you would not complain at all. You would actually take the opposite position and support it. In my opinion this is what makes me laugh so much. Homeland Security and TSA was instituted under Bush and Republicans. Obama's leadership has actually lead to more captures in two years than all the time under Bush. Why didn't you complain about security tactics in the past? That's it from me Mr Tyner. Now that you put yourself out there you get to deal with all the scrutiny and threats that come along with making your agenda public. Good luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-59842667427970744602010-11-24T08:16:14.094-08:002010-11-24T08:16:14.094-08:00Just wanted to post something said by one of our f...Just wanted to post something said by one of our founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin:<br />“Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-81940706554473413862010-11-23T22:40:59.180-08:002010-11-23T22:40:59.180-08:00Simple. All-Purpose. Protest. Stick Out Your Tongu...<a href="http://cobb.typepad.com/cobb/2010/11/tsa-protest-stick-out-your-tongue.html" rel="nofollow">Simple. All-Purpose. Protest. Stick Out Your Tongue</a>Cobbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540420277243106564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-75127234725582216182010-11-23T21:19:53.566-08:002010-11-23T21:19:53.566-08:00Terrorism is a tactic - it is asymetrical warfare ...Terrorism is a tactic - it is asymetrical warfare against non-military targets conducted by alienated political groups against states. And yes, there are plenty of groups besides Muslims who have used this tactic to impress a dent into state power. Separations groups in Puerto Rico for US, Basques in Europe, etc. would account for a large quantity of terrorist attacks and thereby depressing the Muslim percentage.<br /><br />Pre 911 airport security was adequate and sufficient to manage the threat imposed by these groups.<br /><br />These groups did not and do not have members willing to act as disposable bombs.<br /><br />Perhaps the threat should be posed as contract- murderers-who-must-die-alongside-their-victims-in-order-to-collect-on-the-highly-luxurious-contract threat.<br /><br />Screw the term terrorism.<br /><br />Call it what you want.<br /><br />But <br /><br />A Muslim is death.<br /><br />Mot "some." Not "extreme." Not "radical". <br /><br />"A"<br /><br />"Death"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-28369773041346628932010-11-23T19:39:02.085-08:002010-11-23T19:39:02.085-08:00WOW - WOW - WOW
I would strongly encorage all you ...WOW - WOW - WOW<br />I would strongly encorage all you John Tyner fans to read some of his earlier works<br /><br />http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2009/12/terrorists-criminals-or-warriors.html<br /><br />some snips from John Tyner's blog:<br />"To treat these people [Richard Reid (a.k.a. the shoe bomber) and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (the so-called mastermind of 9/11)] as common criminals is to deny they fact that they have very real and valid claims against U.S. actions"<br /><br />John Tyner said: "This spread of democracy [US in Afghanistan and Iraq] looks a lot like terrorism, doesn't it?"<br /><br />John Tyner said: "U.S. actions around the world are contributing to the terrorism against it"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-64408814335553699272010-11-23T18:02:32.963-08:002010-11-23T18:02:32.963-08:00"Car crash: 1 in 6,500
Airplane crash: 1 in 4..."Car crash: 1 in 6,500<br />Airplane crash: 1 in 400,000"<br /><br />Are these statistics skewed by the fact that far more people drive than travel by plane ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-80281552118630883422010-11-23T17:33:32.506-08:002010-11-23T17:33:32.506-08:00In response to your mathematics concerning the lik...In response to your mathematics concerning the likelihood of a terrorist plane attack being much smaller than dying while driving or crossing the street, it should be pointed out that, although the statistics are much smaller, the consequence of a terrorist attack is much more severe. A car crash may involve a few people, while on the other hand roughly 3,000 people were killed in the attack on September 11th. Now consider the lives lost due to the ensuing war on terror and the pursuit of Bin Laden - the tolls are even higher than that initial 3K. So I feel that the "chance" scale is not exactly an accurate measurement in this instance because you are talking about individual chance, not accumulated aftermath.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-64211485385289232322010-11-23T17:22:05.358-08:002010-11-23T17:22:05.358-08:00"Touch my junk and I'll have you arrested..."Touch my junk and I'll have you arrested."???<br />I hope you get laid sometime soon. If you did, that might - MIGHT - save millions of us from having to see your name desperately trying to get attention again.<br /><br />So coincidental how you just happened to want to make an ass out of yourself and put it on display all of a sudden.<br /><br />Where has your don't-touch-my-junk-because-I-know-you'd-feel-sorry-for-me-if-you-did attitude been in the past nine years since 9-11?<br /><br />But don't worry. Your mother will never let you know how ashamed she is of you right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-16420238471914350722010-11-23T17:17:04.856-08:002010-11-23T17:17:04.856-08:00Whiny tree hugging hippy. That's what you are,...Whiny tree hugging hippy. That's what you are, John Tyner. You complain that the TSA is infringing upon our civil liberties when in fact they are not. You are choosing to fly, to either be pat down, or to have these screeners look at you in a very complex method to determine if you are a terrorist or not. You have decided to pick between choices A and B. You arent being forced to take the flight.<br /><br />To be subjected to this on the side of the road after being pulled over for speeding would be an infringment upon our liberties, and our rights, but not being pat down/scanned to ensure a safer today and a safer tomorrow during these times of craziness, when in fact YOU booked your own flight in the understanding that this is how it works now.<br /><br />You either don't fly, or you fly and deal with a simple process. The guy looking at the screen on the scanner isn't looking at your penis and laughing(well maybe he is, but you'd never know, nor would anyone else).<br /><br />Give a little for the sake of safety, and unhug the tree, crybaby.Chris Pearlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-90210798747967710402010-11-23T16:51:22.463-08:002010-11-23T16:51:22.463-08:00I am quite disturbed with comments that discrimina...I am quite disturbed with comments that discriminate against the Muslims. The mentality of - If you are white, its horrendous to be groped and have your naked body viewed. But if you are darker or/and a Muslim that is fine and dandy - even if you are an elderly/ a child! What bigotry! <br /><br />Where are the facts that 95% of the world's terrorists are Muslims? <br /><br />If you want facts - <br />Look through this <br /><br />1. http://www.slideshare.net/abdul_lateef/is-terrorism-a-muslim-monopoly<br /><br />2. a study published by CNN based on FBI database stated that only 6% of terrorist attacks on US soil are by Muslims. http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/<br /><br />No ONE be they Muslim or not should be subjected to humiliation by the TSA and robbed of their constitutional rights!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-11356275786504851232010-11-23T16:35:25.128-08:002010-11-23T16:35:25.128-08:00"To those who are concerned about them being ..."To those who are concerned about them being more thorough, I'm sympathetic to those concerns," Pistole said. "But I'm also trying to be respectful of those who want to have the highest level of confidence, each time you get on a plane, to know that everybody else on that plane has been thoroughly screened just like you have or I have."<br />Transportation Security Administration chief John Pistole<br /><br />To which I say, then just get on with it - strip search everyone and check all body cavities - that's where the explosives are. In other words, is there anywhere the sheeple will draw the line against unreasonable search?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-56895799362023257292010-11-23T13:49:13.302-08:002010-11-23T13:49:13.302-08:00Come on guys - you want to have some security...yo...Come on guys - you want to have some security...you better sacrify something, that's "something" will make you safe, let you and your family being happy to live in US...<br /><br />We have the security issue to address by TSA - so let them do their work and shut your mouth up...<br /><br />How's about letting you in an airplane without any security check? Who want to be in - raise your hand - if you don't - so shut up and start going through the checkpoint or pat-down or whatever TSA screens you...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-41616762343635648142010-11-23T09:56:02.662-08:002010-11-23T09:56:02.662-08:00John, I laud you for having the courage of your co...John, I laud you for having the courage of your convictions. I recently wrote a blog post about the TSA situation, and included a link to your first blog post (which I found via the Newsweek website). I hope you'll continue to keep us updated on the situation.<br /><br />http://good-idea-time.blogspot.com/2010/11/skirting-or-kilting-tsa-issue.html<br /><br />(If you wanted to read.)<br /><br />Keep fighting the good fight!Laura Klotzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17389480044457332356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-1110535087051102152010-11-23T09:54:57.639-08:002010-11-23T09:54:57.639-08:00Johnny Edge recommends this instead of scanning:
h...Johnny Edge recommends this instead of scanning:<br />http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother<br /><br />From<br />http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/Opinion/76285/Op-Ed%3A-Israel-Doesnt-Use-Scanners.html<br />"In theory he is correct, but there are huge barriers to implementing this in the US. Remember that El Al only has about three dozen aircraft, and Israel has but two international airports (one quite small). Even Ben Gurion Airport only has half the passengers of La Guardia Airport, the smallest of the three New York airports. It could take years — maybe decades — for the US to ramp up its security capacity, and the security officers who do the sophisticated profiling would have to get paid a lot more than the current TSA screeners. This isn’t likely to happen given that the Republicans have proposed to cut funding for every government agency except DoD. Another problem is that the archtecture of most US airports is unsuitable to the kind of security screening done at Ben Gurion — and there isn’t the money to rebuild almost every terminal in America.<br /><br />But those are surmountable problems. There is one other problem that isn’t surmountable: The increased length of time for screening will destroy the market for short distance air travel"<br /><br /><br />Civil Libertarians like Mr. Tyner will be the first to scream bloody murder that racial profiling is occuring.. No matter how many assurances that it's "behavioural profiling" not "racial profiling" the reality is going to be that the majority of the persons targetted for further indepth screening are going to be middle east males 18-35yrs, providing de-facto proof of racial profiling.<br /><br /><br />So, thanks Mr. Tyner, for preventing a solution to the problem you are screaming about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-55221446246814060572010-11-23T09:07:29.603-08:002010-11-23T09:07:29.603-08:00I want to congratulate you for standing up to the ...I want to congratulate you for standing up to the abusive TSA. <br /><br />I will not fly while these polices are in place and I encourage everyone to do the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-71373941689082738662010-11-23T05:51:43.589-08:002010-11-23T05:51:43.589-08:00David said...11-22-2010, 7:50PM
On topic: I am v...David said...11-22-2010, 7:50PM <br /><br />On topic: I am very disturbed by the videos and images compiled into a music video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1vmcJVIErA&feature=player_embedded#!<br /><br />At about the 50 second mark, until the 1:04 mark you see a person going through the x-ray, a graphic full-frontal image scan from the nude machine, and a small male child being undeniably inappropriately touched. <br /><br />What are we teaching our children about child molesters? That it is okay to view porn in public and to let strange men touch them in their "junk"? I'm seriously appalled. Even though the media and TSA claim that most people don't have a problem with the new "procedures" I would be willing to bet that it's because 80% of them haven't even been through them yet. <br /><br />Everyone's happy until they are subject to the 'random' attacks from the TSA.<br /><br />I would physically assault ANYONE I saw touching ANY child in this manner.<br /><br />Mr. Thompson said...<br /><br />I am with you David. I share your outrage.<br /><br />What is recorded there is abhorrent.<br />Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1vmcJVIErA&feature=player_embedded#!<br /><br /> If you watch the video carefully you will see that after the child has been molested by TSA, the child's body language shows he is visibly disturbed and uncomfortable with the violating experience that has just transpired. The child has no other way to express this discomfort for he lacks the words, maturity and perspective to describe it. The damage however, has been done.<br /><br /><br />Shame on you TSA employees for doing this.<br /><br />And shame on you law enforcement officers for allowing this to happen.<br /><br />Have you no common sense and decency?<br /><br />Government agents violating the law is not a legal, valid, or acceptable reason for law enforcement to look the other way. Wake up!<br /><br />I add my voice to David's. Let the molesters stand warned.<br /><br />In defense of the child and any child, IF I SEE IT DONE YOU WILL HAVE HELL TO PAY.<br /><br />Mr. ThompsonMr Thompsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-17881818294604661692010-11-23T05:24:49.487-08:002010-11-23T05:24:49.487-08:00PLEASE disregard my previous post (JOHN TYNER PLEA...PLEASE disregard my previous post (JOHN TYNER PLEASE DELETE IT) I made a mistake in the text and did not properly credit David as the one I agree with. Thanks.<br /><br />David said...11-22-2010, 7:50PM <br /><br />On topic: I am very disturbed by the videos and images compiled into a music video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1vmcJVIErA&feature=player_embedded#!<br /><br />At about the 50 second mark, until the 1:04 mark you see a person going through the x-ray, a graphic full-frontal image scan from the nude machine, and a small male child being undeniably inappropriately touched. <br /><br />What are we teaching our children about child molesters? That it is okay to view porn in public and to let strange men touch them in their "junk"? I'm seriously appalled. Even though the media and TSA claim that most people don't have a problem with the new "procedures" I would be willing to bet that it's because 80% of them haven't even been through them yet. <br /><br />Everyone's happy until they are subject to the 'random' attacks from the TSA.<br /><br />I would physically assault ANYONE I saw touching ANY child in this manner.<br /><br />Mr. Thompson said...<br /><br />I am with you David. I share your outrage.<br /><br />What is recorded there is abhorrent.<br />Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1vmcJVIErA&feature=player_embedded#!<br /> If you watch the video carefully you will see that after the child has been molested by TSA, the child's body language shows he is visibly disturbed and uncomfortable with the violating experience that has just transpired. The child has no other way to express this discomfort for he lacks the words, maturity and perspective to describe it. The damage however, has been done.<br /><br /><br />Shame on you TSA employees for doing this.<br /><br />And shame on you law enforcement officers for allowing this to happen.<br /><br />Have you no common sense and decency?<br /><br />Government agents violating the law is not a legal, valid, or acceptable reason for law enforcement to look the other way. Wake up!<br /><br />I add my voice to David's. Let the molesters stand warned.<br /><br />In defense of the child and any child, IF I SEE IT DONE YOU WILL HAVE HELL TO PAY.<br /><br />Mr. ThompsonMr Thompsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-3920921251940692492010-11-23T04:21:43.713-08:002010-11-23T04:21:43.713-08:00when 95% of the world's terrorists are Muslim ...when 95% of the world's terrorists are Muslim it makes sense to target Muslims for stricter security screening. it just makes sense.<br /><br />if someone's liberty is to be infringed in the name of security, let it be the group responsible for breeding the world's terrorists. lots of good Muslims will get caught up in the mix, but at least it won't be 99.9999999% of innocent non-Muslims.<br /><br />like i said before, Muslims need to get their extremists under control. once they do that they can have the same freedoms the rest of us share. <br /><br />i know this is unpopular because of some misguided attempt at political correctness but if you take the PC blinders off for a second and think about it...it's just a numbers game. do the equation. find the probability based on the facts. implement security measures for the threat.<br /><br />if the TSA is so ready to say "we'd like to not trample your 4th Amendment rights, but in the name of security, too bad" to the whole population, i think it's okay to say the same thing to Muslims. they deserve less rights because they've shown themselves not be able to handle them yet.<br /><br />maybe that Muslim kid should look to hating the extremists in his own religion instead of blaming the Christian kid for reacting to the threat that Muslim extremist group represents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-64433468029522866212010-11-22T20:56:56.849-08:002010-11-22T20:56:56.849-08:00Excellent story, Joseph. Glad to know your afters...Excellent story, Joseph. Glad to know your aftershave was more dangerous than something that could actually be used as a murder weapon. Demon Barber of Fleet Street anyone?<br /><br />Don't forget the Reuter's poll, which currently shows that out of 75,467 voters, 96% have claimed to make additional travel plans to avoid the invasive procedures of the TSA:<br />http://blogs.reuters.com/ask/2010/11/12/are-new-security-screenings-affecting-your-decision-to-fly/Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-48640732826986122732010-11-22T20:44:23.369-08:002010-11-22T20:44:23.369-08:00I feel that your little blurb about the TSA not ma...I feel that your little blurb about the TSA not making us any safer is a good segway into my own TSA story of stupidity. This past winter I was flying home from visiting a friend and I arrived a little late at the airport only to discover that I was past the window where I could check my bag. My reasons for checking a bag in this age of fees is simple, I shave with a strait razor which is 3 1/2 inches long. It was a policy to allow men like me to carry their shaving kits onto aeroplanes which allowed the 9/11 hijackers to use box cutters.<br /><br />My friend had driven me to the airport and when I came away from the checking counter her first question was the same thing that had popped into my head. "What about your razor?" So I went to the security checkpoint positive that I would return home with no way to shave.<br /><br />After sending my bag through the x ray machine, which detected liquid, the TSA agents confiscated a full bottle of aftershave and approximately half a pint of mineral oil which I use to keep rust from forming on the blade. Never once did the agents ask about the long, very sharp, object which I was carrying onto the plane.<br /><br />So I couldn't blow the thing up with a liquid explosive, but I could've cut someone's throat had I had ill intentions.<br /><br />For those of you who think the TSA is keeping us safe, if they'll let a man carry on a 3 1/2 inch blade after 9/11 they're not keeping anyone safe.Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-83199357892925304722010-11-22T20:35:34.076-08:002010-11-22T20:35:34.076-08:00Well, so much for NOT storing the images:
http://g...Well, so much for NOT storing the images:<br />http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans<br /><br />I would find it strange if the opportunity wasn't used to keep all this information. It'll be another database to cross-reference...Big Brothernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1617209358263472725.post-67966122854687030452010-11-22T19:50:03.440-08:002010-11-22T19:50:03.440-08:00Larry...Because you are one of those guys who runs...Larry...Because you are one of those guys who runs to the internet to post insults about random strangers due to a lack of intelligence and an inferiority complex, you provide that you are aware your not as much of a man as John. That doesn't mean you have to prove it to the rest of us. Thanks.<br /><br />On topic: I am very disturbed by the videos and images compiled into a music video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1vmcJVIErA&feature=player_embedded#!<br /><br />At about the 50 second mark, until the 1:04 mark you see a person going through the x-ray, a graphic full-frontal image scan from the nude machine, and a small male child being undeniably inappropriately touched. <br /><br />What are we teaching our children about child molesters? That it is okay to view porn in public and to let strange men touch them in their "junk"? I'm seriously appalled. Even though the media and TSA claim that most people don't have a problem with the new "procedures" I would be willing to bet that its because 80% of them haven't even been through them yet. <br /><br />Everyone's happy until they are subject to the 'random' attacks from the TSA. I would physically assault ANYONE I saw touching ANY child in this manner.Davidnoreply@blogger.com